A German's View on Islam

[Patricia]

I received this email today...have thought long & hard about sharing it with you.....if anyone believes it to be racist or if any Mods/Admin feel that it should be deleted feel free..over to you forumites.



  This is by far the best explanation of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read. His references to past history are accurate and clear. Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read. The author of this email is said to be Dr. Emanuel Tanay, a well-known and well-respected psychiatrist.

 A German's View on Islam

 A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism. 'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools.  So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come.  My family lost everything.  I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

 We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant.  It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.
 The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history; it is the fanatics who march...it is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide.  It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill.  It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque.  It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals.  It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers..
  The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous.
  Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people.  The peaceful majority were irrelevant.   China 's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.
 
   The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist.  Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across Southeast Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.
   And who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery.  Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?
  History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:
 
 Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.
 
 Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.
 
  Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts--the fanatics who threaten our way of life.
 
 Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand.  So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on!  Let us hope that thousands, world-wide, read this and think about it, and send it on - before it's too late.
 
 
Emanuel Tanay, M.D. 2980 Provincial St. Ann Arbor , MI 48104      734-997-0256
 
 

[mutation]

Its nothing i have not been saying for years!
There is no such thing as Moderate Islam and if there is they are so quiet in their disapproval that for all intents and purposes they do not exist.
I suppose they will regret their silence when they are lumped in with their extremist element because there is no way to tell them apart and because their silence is tantamount to complicity anyway!

Of course the real enemy is not radical Islam, they could hardly find their way out of the middle eastern sand pit but for the liberal west treating them like long lost brothers and opening the gates to the city!


Mutation

[bambu]

Crikey!

Patricia posted that!  

Maybe it was Julia Gillard's declaration about the death of political correctness in Australia that changed her mind about things.

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Yes, ye olde "Peace-loving", "Moderate" Muslims.



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There is no such thing as Moderate Islam and if there is they are so quiet in their disapproval that for all intents and purposes they do not exist.
I suppose they will regret their silence when they are lumped in with their extremist element because there is no way to tell them apart and because their silence is tantamount to complicity anyway!

Of course the real enemy is not radical Islam, they could hardly find their way out of the middle eastern sand pit but for the liberal west treating them like long lost brothers and opening the gates to the city!


Mutation

Couldn't have written it anywhere near as well.

[Patricia]

Geez Bu you do jump to conclusions  ...I didn't say a word or offer a personal opinion.... all I said was I thought I'd share it with you.... 

[bambu]

You wouldn't have posted it 3 months ago.  

[Crimson]

Maybe you should forward that e-mail on the to thousands of widows of fallen Northen Alliance fighters who for years without Western supprt battled the rise of the Taliban.

Maybe you should forward that e-mail to the thousands of widows to fallen Afgan National Army fighters who have died fighting the resurgent Taliban over recent years.

Maybe you should forward that e-mail to the thousands of widows of fallen Son's of Iraq soldiers who died fighting the insurgency in Iraq allingside their former Westen Adversaries.

Maybe you should forward that e-mail to the thousands of widows of the fallen soldiers from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the Islamic Republic of Yemen, the Kingdom of Morroco, the resistence fighters in Somalia, the Government forces of Somalia, the Republic of Etheopia, Algeria, The Islamic Republic of Iran, the Republic of Lebanon and the list goes on...

The deaths of these soldiers is far above and beyond the price the entirety of Westerb Civilsation is willing to pay in blood against the forces of Fundamentalist Islam yet the soldiers of these nations don't get to go home when the war is over or when their political leaders have had enough. The soldiers of these countries, the war is in their home, in some cases the very survival of their homelands is threatened.

And all people have got to say "where are the Moderate Muslims, why aren't they speaking up?"

Simple answer, they have no time to talk, their actually fighting and dying for our freedom as much as theirs.

Maybe you should forward the e-mail to the hundreds of thousands of families who have lost loved ones to Islamic Terrorism in these states.

Simple perspective, the commitment made by the Son's of Iraq in fighting the insurgency and providing on-going security in the on-going conflict has been larger than Australia's involvement in WW I. More American Personel served in Iraq alone than Australia's combined involvement in WW I and WW II, The US' total Military presence in the Middle East over the past 9 years has been greater than all of the soldiers to have ever served in combat for Australia in the past 110 years.

Maybe people shuld be asking, where are the brave Westerners who aren't American at?

People who are providing at best a token effort should really keep their opinions to their selves at times, to dengrate the many mltitudes of Muslims who have made their sacrife is not only dishonourable but only shows the ignorance of those making comment.

Regards,

Crimson

[bambu]

The American "Knights of the Round Table" should be fighting the "Crusades" at home, not in Muslim countries where they're getting slaughtered by the thousands.
They should never have been sent there by their President/Congress.

'It' was always going to be another Vietnam.

The majority of Australians were smart enough to vote for our troops not to be sent to Afghanistan or Iraq for the American C.O.W invasions.

But alas, as we have only 'pop guns' and 'party hats' with which to defend ourselves in a real war, we had to send them as part of the ANZUS Treaty. [US kicked NZ out after it went 'nuclear free'].

The US runs the West.
PNAC [Wolfowitz, Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld etc] 'Project for the New American Century' ['US global domination'] decided long before 9/11 that Saddam had to go.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0402080265feb08,0,3486861.story

Hard-liners won battle for Bridgeview mosque

Sheik Jamal Said stood before the packed mosque and worked the crowd like an auctioneer.

Speaking Arabic, the prayer leader asked for a donation of $10,000. No one responded. He asked for $5,000, and three men raised their hands.

Hundreds of men sat cross-legged before him in the main prayer hall. Women filled the basement, listening over a loudspeaker. All but the youngest girls wore head scarves.

When Sheik Jamal lowered his request to $2,000, more hands shot into the air. The crowd declared, "Allahu Akbar" or "God is great." $1,000? More hands. $500? Even more. In less than five minutes, he raised $50,000.

The recipient of the worshipers' generosity was Sami Al-Arian, a Palestinian activist accused by the U.S. government of aiding terrorists. And the prayer leader's passionate appeal is a reflection of the ascendancy of Muslim hard-liners at the mosque, one of the most outspoken and embattled in the U.S.

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Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more!

[Chris]

The American "Knights of the Round Table" should be fighting the "Crusades" at home, not in Muslim countries where they're getting slaughtered by the thousands.
They should never have been sent there by their President/Congress.

Why do you post such old links?? This was nearly 7 years ago!!

[mutation]

Maybe you should forward that e-mail on the to thousands of widows of fallen Northen Alliance fighters who for years without Western supprt battled the rise of the Taliban.

Maybe you should forward that e-mail to the thousands of widows to fallen Afgan National Army fighters who have died fighting the resurgent Taliban over recent years.

Maybe you should forward that e-mail to the thousands of widows of fallen Son's of Iraq soldiers who died fighting the insurgency in Iraq allingside their former Westen Adversaries.

Maybe you should forward that e-mail to the thousands of widows of the fallen soldiers from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, the Islamic Republic of Yemen, the Kingdom of Morroco, the resistence fighters in Somalia, the Government forces of Somalia, the Republic of Etheopia, Algeria, The Islamic Republic of Iran, the Republic of Lebanon and the list goes on...

The deaths of these soldiers is far above and beyond the price the entirety of Westerb Civilsation is willing to pay in blood against the forces of Fundamentalist Islam yet the soldiers of these nations don't get to go home when the war is over or when their political leaders have had enough. The soldiers of these countries, the war is in their home, in some cases the very survival of their homelands is threatened.

And all people have got to say "where are the Moderate Muslims, why aren't they speaking up?"

Simple answer, they have no time to talk, their actually fighting and dying for our freedom as much as theirs.

Maybe you should forward the e-mail to the hundreds of thousands of families who have lost loved ones to Islamic Terrorism in these states.

Simple perspective, the commitment made by the Son's of Iraq in fighting the insurgency and providing on-going security in the on-going conflict has been larger than Australia's involvement in WW I. More American Personel served in Iraq alone than Australia's combined involvement in WW I and WW II, The US' total Military presence in the Middle East over the past 9 years has been greater than all of the soldiers to have ever served in combat for Australia in the past 110 years.

Maybe people shuld be asking, where are the brave Westerners who aren't American at?

People who are providing at best a token effort should really keep their opinions to their selves at times, to dengrate the many mltitudes of Muslims who have made their sacrife is not only dishonourable but only shows the ignorance of those making comment.

Regards,

Crimson

Bla Bla Bla If the vast Majority of them are Peace loving moderates as you and everybody else keeps claiming 85% is the worst i have heard how come they are having so little luck in putting the Genni back in the bottle.
Dont answer the question was rhetorical I'll tell you why because the % of moderates is only a fraction of what people claim and is evidenced by places like Pakistan who claim to be fighting the bad guys all the while doing exactly the opposite.
In all the tedious examples you gave I think you will find the divisions have far more to to with Tribal, cultural and political differences rather than some simple "Good Muslim" verses "Bad Muslim" as you would have us believe!

The Multitudes of Muslims you claim are sacrificing themselves to stop the militant hordes  is exactly as it should be. They allowed at best encouraged at worst the immoderates and that are now reaping the benefits of their actions I dont see how it is the west obligation to sacrifice anything to stop them yet as usual we find ourselves having to clean up other peoples mess!

[bambu]

The American "Knights of the Round Table" should be fighting the "Crusades" at home, not in Muslim countries where they're getting slaughtered by the thousands.
They should never have been sent there by their President/Congress.

Why do you post such old links?? This was nearly 7 years ago!!

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"Newspapers live forever" - 'Anna Scott' 'Notting Hill' movie.

The link/story was in 2004, while said "King Arthur's" American crusading "knights" were fighting wars, and still are, sheesh, in Muslim lands.
Not having 'any' more luck that the knights of old had.
You'd think people would learn from history.

[bambu]

Don't suppose you'd like to hear Aussiebu's view on Islam?

Probably not.
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Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/extremist-group-hires-town-hall-for-rant-against-democracy/story-e6frfkvr-1225900288628#ixzz0vUsls2Zu

Extremist group hires town hall for rant against Israel and democracy


. Controversial group hire town hall for meeting
. Council defends use of hall on diversity grounds
. Conference targeted democracy and Israel

AN extremist Muslim group banned in several countries was cleared by police and a local council to use a town hall to spread its message.

The radical Hizb ut-Tahrir - Party of Islamic Liberation - paid Melbourne's Moreland Council $300 to use Brunswick Town Hall for an Israel-bashing conference in which it claimed that armed conflict was a legitimate response to defend the Islamic "caliphate" against the West.

The extremist group has previously said insurgents fighting against Australian and other Coalition troops in Iraq had a "universal right and religious duty".

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Wonder who the audience was?
The said "peace-loving", "moderates"?

Deafening silence from the Muslim community.


Yes, ASIO and our cops think it's all just fine.  

It's all just like the German, and mutation wrote.

[Crimson]

Mutation, their efforts weren't the point, the point is, they aren't as quiet or as apathetic as people often claim them to be.

The fact that it is the Muslim People themselves shouldering the majority of the burdon, it is the Muslims themselves that are the ones paying the highest price for their resistence is something that shouldn't be forgotten or denegrated by the idiocy or ignorance of those who go out of their way to make comment yet refuse to learn about what they're commenting on.

Regards,

Crimson

[mutation]

Mutation, their efforts weren't the point, the point is, they aren't as quiet or as apathetic as people often claim them to be.

The fact that it is the Muslim People themselves shouldering the majority of the burdon, it is the Muslims themselves that are the ones paying the highest price for their resistence is something that shouldn't be forgotten or denegrated by the idiocy or ignorance of those who go out of their way to make comment yet refuse to learn about what they're commenting on.

Regards,

Crimson

So what the responsibility to do so is theirs not ours. What is your point? That we me grateful that they should bother to put out their own fires ?
I dont care what they do I only care about what they dont do and how it might effect my little corner of the globe!


Mutation

[Crimson]

Mutation i was commenting on the notion that Muslims aren't in-fact fighting their fires, which was the entire point of the original post.

It contained an unfortunate view based soley on their ignorance of the real worl situation, nothing moe, nothing less. I felt it needed some correction so i provided it.

As for the threats in this small part of the world, the only terror attacks that actually killed anyone in Australia were carried out by "Christians", first by Armenians and then by ASUS/ASIO (CHOGOM Bombing).

So exactly who poses the biggest threat?

Regards,

Crimson

[Minx]

Actually, the buggers trying to steal parts of the developing infrastructure.

If I can, I will try and import some emails and pics from colleagues working OT
Mind boggling is one way of putting it

May well need CC help on this one