Aussie cleric calls for beheading of Dutch MP

[mutation]

Simple propsition, if you stand on the courage of your convictions, direct a course of action you are willing to take, in the public domain, in wahtever fashion you chose i will provide you with information, planning advice, safe haven and any means by which i can help your cause.

All i ask in return is simple, you leave my name out of it and you follow through, whatever action you take must be real and tangiable.

I don't agre with your cause but i am sick and tired of people talking about it so if you're willing to put words into action i'll back it

Regards,

Crimson

What would lead you to believe that what you offer is of particular value to me ?
Safe haven I can supply myself in any quantity i desire.
Advice? why would i choose your counsel over my own?
Planning? I think i can manage that also.
I am acquainted with a number of people who have useful skills and would assist if asked.

What puzzles me is why you would make the offer as generous as it is if you dont agree with my goals. Not that you know them other than what you may have gleaned from conversation.
In fact without the use of mind altering drugs the only possible motivation I can imagine you having is a futile hope that i might be stupid enough to make you privy to any fledgling plans i might have in order for you to expose them!

There are only two reasons I have not done what you would call "real and tangible action" at this time is firstly one of finance and secondly and far more importantly the time is not yet right and you know as well as I do that whatever the cause you are only going to get one go at it !


Mutation

[Crimson]

What would lead you to believe that what you offer is of particular value to me ?
Safe haven I can supply myself in any quantity i desire.
Advice? why would i choose your counsel over my own?
Planning? I think i can manage that also.
I am acquainted with a number of people who have useful skills and would assist if asked.

What puzzles me is why you would make the offer as generous as it is if you dont agree with my goals. Not that you know them other than what you may have gleaned from conversation.
In fact without the use of mind altering drugs the only possible motivation I can imagine you having is a futile hope that i might be stupid enough to make you privy to any fledgling plans i might have in order for you to expose them!

There are only two reasons I have not done what you would call "real and tangible action" at this time is firstly one of finance and secondly and far more importantly the time is not yet right and you know as well as I do that whatever the cause you are only going to get one go at it !

Mutation

To answer your first question, the answer is, i understand your enemy better than you do. To the second, i am a better arguer than you, i have an insight that you don’t and i also have more than a decade of research into various methods of persuasion and civil unrest. To the third, again, i have more than a decade of acquired knowledge in various forms of “activities” not to mention i can present a better image to the public, my inter-personal skills are more effective and of-course i simply know more about your enemy than you do.
In-fact myself and my organisation could very well and very easily counter anything you do, simply because we have a broader range of supporters and the ability to provide a much broader and more respected reasoning for our actions. You on the other –hand, do not, neither do your supporters.

No, i do not support your cause, i find some of it offensive, to the same degree you find some of mine, however, i am tired of hearing you though mostly the right wing talkers blabbering about “the inevitable”, so much so, i am willing to provide someone, anyone some support if they’re willing to put their money where their mouth is. I don’t have to support your idea but i can exploit the situation if is so desired, you could always kick off the fire-works to then only lose to people like me, choice is yours i guess...

I can keep a secret and i wouldn’t bother divulging anything to people who wouldn’t know what to do with the information...

Timing is often something you create, if you keep waiting you’ll have already lost.

Regards,

Crimson

[mutation]

To answer your first question, the answer is, i understand your enemy better than you do.
I doubt that!

To the second, i am a better arguer than you,
Yeh your a legend in you own mind. You really need a reality check on what you imagine you are capable of. A Man need to know his limitations! 

 i have an insight that you don’t and i also have more than a decade of research into various methods of persuasion and civil unrest. To the third, again, i have more than a decade of acquired knowledge in various forms of “activities” not to mention i can present a better image to the public
Lets not forget conceit and an over inflated opinion of yourself. Ill see that and raise you a decade !

How do you know what sort of public image i can present? You know nothing of me but what i want you to know!

 my inter-personal skills are more effective and of-course i simply know more about your enemy than you do.
Dont mistake being smarmy and awkwardly slick for inter personal skills.
If you think I am lacking in this area its not some thing missing from me its the result of not caring to make the effort to do so though I can should i choose to!

In-fact myself and my organisation could very well and very easily counter anything you do, simply because we have a broader range of supporters and the ability to provide a much broader and more respected reasoning for our actions. You on the other –hand, do not, neither do your supporters.
What are you smokin brother your organization if it exists outside of your own mind is unlikely to consist of more than a handfull of deluded zealots unlikely to posses either the skills or determination to achieve anything beyond a noisy protest or two !
I on the other hand have no supporters nor do i claim to !

No, i do not support your cause, i find some of it offensive, to the same degree you find some of mine, however, i am tired of hearing you though mostly the right wing talkers blabbering about “the inevitable”, so much so, i am willing to provide someone, anyone some support if they’re willing to put their money where their mouth is. I don’t have to support your idea but i can exploit the situation if is so desired, you could always kick off the fire-works to then only lose to people like me, choice is yours i guess...
That does not make rational sense!

I can keep a secret and i wouldn’t bother divulging anything to people who wouldn’t know what to do with the information...
Perhaps but I would have thought by now that you would have realized that someone like me would never test that assertion by telling someone like you anything of value!

Timing is often something you create, if you keep waiting you’ll have already lost.
I disagree every idea has its time and that time is not yet upon us !


I have to admit you are entertaining. You do give the impression your a smart guy then you come out with something that makes me wonder if perhaps your forgotten to take your meds correctly. Though in all fairness I suppose i must admit that despite all that you still make better conversation that the vast majority of people i know !


Mutation

Peace !

[Crimson]

Nope, no over-statement on my part, you're arguing style is on display here and else-where and i am much better at it than you, that is perhaps why i have supporters and you Mutation don't and aren't likely to either.

I indeed know more about your enemy than you do, i have serious doubts that your kowledge goes beyonf "Fitna" and i dare say that you know even less about the demographics of the people you dislike. Simple, you know what you think you know and half that is probably wrong and given what you've said here and elsewhere expressig your knowledge would get you even less traction than the APP did.

I know exactly what public image you can and can not present because i know what your cause is and i know how it would be recieved, regardless of how polished you may try and be, no matter how concise you think your argument is, the way in which it will be recieved is as certain as the sunrise.

I can assure you Mr Mutation that between myself and my "zealots" we know more about what our mission is than you could ever dream of, we have a benifit of not being one man against his enemy, we have the benifit of having access to a much broader spectrum of ideas and much broader spectrum of expertise. We could easily crush whomever decides to kick off the fire-works, to us it would be the means to an end that would save a whole lot paper-work.

You don't have anything of value to say, that is your problem, you've lost before you've even begun, by the tine you even manage to gain mmentum you'll be well behind the eight-ball. (part of your problem is you argue from the wrong end and in the wrong way, such as i told ol Hannibal across 1,000+ posts on another forum, between him and i and others we covered just about every aspect of your enemy there is, from the theology to the demographics, not only do in kow ore about them Mutation i know more about "us" as well)

The only way you could ever be successfull in gaining momentum in the true sense would be a false-flag bombing or two, even though i have no doubts you may posses the information to do so or even be as callous to do it i can only hope that you wouldn't, not because i care what the effects would be among certain communities but i would have to take sides and so would my "zealots" and it won't be on the side of the haters that would spring forth after your false-flag fire-works but in the end i'm sure we'll win simply because we won't be the ones driven by hate nor blinded by it.

So any time you're ready Mutation, kick things off, therre is no time like the present.

regards,

Crimson

[mutation]

Nope, no over-statement on my part, you're arguing style is on display here and else-where and i am much better at it than you, that is perhaps why i have supporters and you Mutation don't and aren't likely to either.

I indeed know more about your enemy than you do, i have serious doubts that your kowledge goes beyonf "Fitna" and i dare say that you know even less about the demographics of the people you dislike. Simple, you know what you think you know and half that is probably wrong and given what you've said here and elsewhere expressig your knowledge would get you even less traction than the APP did.

I know exactly what public image you can and can not present because i know what your cause is and i know how it would be recieved, regardless of how polished you may try and be, no matter how concise you think your argument is, the way in which it will be recieved is as certain as the sunrise.

I can assure you Mr Mutation that between myself and my "zealots" we know more about what our mission is than you could ever dream of, we have a benifit of not being one man against his enemy, we have the benifit of having access to a much broader spectrum of ideas and much broader spectrum of expertise. We could easily crush whomever decides to kick off the fire-works, to us it would be the means to an end that would save a whole lot paper-work.

You don't have anything of value to say, taht is your problem, you've l;ost before you've even begun, by the tine you even manage to gain mmentum you'll be well behind the eight-ball.

The only way you could ever be successfull in gaining momentum in the true sense would be a false-flag bombing or two, even though i have no doubts you may posses the information to do so or even be as callous to do it i can only hope that you wouldn't, not because i care what the effects would be among certain communities but i would have to take sides and so would my "zealots" and it won't be on the side of the haters that would spring forth after your false-flag fire-works but in the end i'm sure we'll win simply because we won't be the ones driven by hate nor blinded by it.

So any time you're ready Mutation, kick things off, therre is no time like the present.

regards,

Crimson

You really are a damaged individual with delusions of grandeur and an opinion of yourself so inflated as to give you at least the potential to become one of those evil tyrants you are so fond of blaming on atheism!
Seriously give up your impressing nobody most particularly not me !
I'd be surprised if your "supporters" constitute much more that a loose club of similarly deluded individuals! The telling thing is you would have me believe your the best of them, what a sad bunch indeed !

Ever heard of a Freudian slip ? I think you reference to a bombing is exactly that either a plan or a fantasy I am not sure which!

I think this tedious conversation is about done dont you ?

Mutation

[Crimson]

Come on Mutation, you, your style, your message is on show, everything you believe in you display here on a daily basis and more than that you've more than once demonstrated how little you actually know about those you loath so much. It has nothing about an opinion of self on my part, it is simply an opinion based upon everything you've taken the time to post here and elsewhere.

You don't have anything of value to say, i know this because i've heard what you've got to say, more than once, more than twice, we've all heard and elsewhere for quite some time now. You have the same vague points made in the same style over and over and over and over again, no matter how many times it is pointed out to you that have the time not only are you factually incorrect and the other half is a venture into moral relativism.

You have made a grand total of 1954 posts in this forum to date and around 4,500 on the Australian Identity Forums and we here know what most of those posts are about, what your message was and how you delivered it. There is a good chance that you and the other posters on that forum were a large reason why the APP got fewer votes than members, everything you and the others saud was viewable to the general public, so even the general public who had the misfortune of reading the venom on the AIF and APP website thought you had nothing of value to say.

Of the 6,500 posts we can revsit Mutation, how many would you say offered up some thing different? How many offered up a vision of the future? Your vision of the future, your policies and methods of getting there? 1,000? 500? 250? 125? Any? How many were the same repetitous message that you hate Muslims? 5,000? More?

You want to get out there in the real world and make a difference? Well the bigggest difference you could make would be finding something new to say, everyone has heard what you've had to say for more than a year now and guess what, you and your ideas were rejected out-right at the last election.

So what else do you have? What other way do you have to get your ideals out there and make change? A sit in? A march on parliament?

I think it is you Mutation that is deludded and has an over-inflated opinion of self, we've had almost 2,000 of your posts here that point to that fact, so any time your willing to put what you think you know into practice and any time you think you're ready to keep spreading the same message you've spread here and elsewhere in the public domain, be my guest, thugh do it sooner rather than later lest you be called a coward and keyboard warrior forever.

Regards,

Crimson

[mutation]

Seriously Crimson you need to get a life beyond following me around the internet like a bad smell.You really dont have anything better to do?
I make no secret of my dislike of Islam nor an apology for it but at least I admit what I am unlike you who pretend to be a Catholic and hide what you really are all the time trying to gather information on others. I mean seriously this must be about the only forum in the southern hemisphere that hasent banned you under one or more of your alias's.

You have never heard my vision of the future simply because I have never expressed it leastways not as Mutation thought you might have seen it on other forums!

I have heard your vision of the future and frankly it appeals less even than what we have at the moment and your methods of achieving it are not to my liking nor I suspect to most people thought you are very careful not to express it where other can hear, particularly not on this forum!

Whats up you seem to be getting a little ruffled ! Patience wearing thin ?


Mutation

[Crimson]

Seriously Crimson you need to get a life beyond following me around the internet like a bad smell.You really dont have anything better to do?
I make no secret of my dislike of Islam nor an apology for it but at least I admit what I am unlike you who pretend to be a Catholic and hide what you really are all the time trying to gather information on others. I mean seriously this must be about the only forum in the southern hemisphere that hasent banned you under one or more of your alias's.

You have never heard my vision of the future simply because I have never expressed it leastways not as Mutation thought you might have seen it on other forums!

I have heard your vision of the future and frankly it appeals less even than what we have at the moment and your methods of achieving it are not to my liking nor I suspect to most people thought you are very careful not to express it where other can hear, particularly not on this forum!

Whats up you seem to be getting a little ruffled ! Patience wearing thin ?

Mutation

The expression through Mutatoin is as part of who your are as Crimson is to me and what you have expressed through your alter ego is as ugly as the hate you no doubt wish to unleash in order to combat your enemy.

Whatever your wish is for the future, it will no doubt be a reflection of the hate you harbour and no amount of trying to distance yourself from your alter ego will save you from that.

We have 6,000 or more exaples of what you believe Mutation expressed qwith an honesty that only hiding behind a keyboard can afford you. You, your bizzare notion of nationalism and your entire premise was not only rejected by those who've come across it, it was even rejected by some of those who share your ideals.

You've failed before you've even begun, Mutation you're alter ego will haunt you, the venom and bile you express will haunt you and forever discredit anything worth-while you may actually have to say.

All you have is physical violence as a means of acheiving anything because whatever message you could spread peacefuly has allready been tainted. Any time you're willing to go down that path Mutation or whatever else you wish to call yourself you'll undoubtedly descover that it is you who only represents a small incompetent irrelevent group of "zealots" who'll accomplish even less than the still-born APP did. All you will eer acheive is furthering the cause of your enemy or marginalising yourself and the nationalism you love so much.

For ther ecord i've only been banned from one forum which i suggest is far fewer than the number you've been banned from under whichever alias you chose to mention.

The differnec between you and i Mutation, is that i'm going to get to where i want to go and i will acheive what i want to acheive and you like all those who've peddled your message before you will fade into irrelevence because i can do something you can't, thatis,i can walk both sides of the fence and i can do it without sounding like a hate filled white guy that has more in common with the ideologies we all hate than anything you wish to further of some benifit.

Regards,

Crimson

[mutation]

The expression through Mutatoin is as part of who your are as Crimson is to me and what you have expressed through your alter ego is as ugly as the hate you no doubt wish to unleash in order to combat your enemy.

I dont WISH to i simply dont see a viable expedient option. And I dont have an ideological impediment to doing unto others as they would do unto me!

Whatever your wish is for the future, it will no doubt be a reflection of the hate you harbour and no amount of trying to distance yourself from your alter ego will save you from that.

Perhaps that is a judgment you might more reasonably make after hearing what that vision is though once again dont let facts stand in the way of a good rant !

We have 6,000 or more exaples of what you believe Mutation expressed qwith an honesty that only hiding behind a keyboard can afford you. You, your bizzare notion of nationalism and your entire premise was not only rejected by those who've come across it, it was even rejected by some of those who share your ideals.


Bizarre? Actually what I hope for is a fairly simple benign form of Nationalism though in your own words a few eggs might have to be broken to get there !

You've failed before you've even begun, Mutation you're alter ego will haunt you, the venom and bile you express will haunt you and forever discredit anything worth-while you may actually have to say.


No it wont like most alter egos it can and will be abandoned when it suits me without even the slightest chance of it haunting me!

All you have is physical violence as a means of acheiving anything because whatever message you could spread peacefuly has allready been tainted. Any time you're willing to go down that path Mutation or whatever else you wish to call yourself you'll undoubtedly descover that it is you who only represents a small incompetent irrelevent group of "zealots" who'll accomplish even less than the still-born APP did. All you will eer acheive is furthering the cause of your enemy or marginalising yourself and the nationalism you love so much.

Hate to break it to you but I dont love Nationalism I dont other than in this context even consider myself a nationalist! A patriot perhaps but not really a Nationalist. You really need to stop making assumptions about that which you dont know!

For ther ecord i've only been banned from one forum which i suggest is far fewer than the number you've been banned from under whichever alias you chose to mention.

Actually I have been banned only once and ironically not because I did something wrong or was abusive in any way but simply because i dared disagree with someone in a personal message. They seem to have a somewhat different view on free speech than I do! Can you say the same?

The differnec between you and i Mutation, is that i'm going to get to where i want to go and i will acheive what i want to acheive and you like all those who've peddled your message before you will fade into irrelevence because i can do something you can't, thatis,i can walk both sides of the fence and i can do it without sounding like a hate filled white guy that has more in common with the ideologies we all hate than anything you wish to further of some benifit.

There you go again making all sorts of assumptions about someone you have never met dont know anything about and will probably never even see.
I am being completely frank now when I say of all the people I have spoken to on the net with the obvious exception of a couple of Nazi morons you are easily the most Hate filled White guy I have  heard. You give I have to admit a reasonably polished performance looking like a clean cut reasonable man just hopped off the Clapham Omnibus but you dont have to dig to deep to feel the hate as i have often experienced from you.
What I dont get about you despite you sporadic efforts to try to get where I am coming from you still dont have the first clue about me and sadly after your recent rant I dont think you ever will!

Now having said all that and I am surprised the mods have not slapped our wrists for boring everyone to death, if you want to continue and i cant imagine that you do can i suggest you send me a PM or an email and we can trade blows where it wont stink up the forum  !


Mutation

[Crimson]

Firstly, you always have a choice, you’ve made yours so you will be held to account for it. You chose your hate and you chose to act on it, that is your prerogative doesn’t make it right nor is it an excuse.

Secondly, the hate you bare is as much a part of you as whatever vision you hold for the future that anything that you do or say is going to be a reflection of that.

Thirdly, yes, your version of nationalism is bizarre as it borders more fascism than actual nationalism, only in your mind the people you hate are worthy. Simply breaking a few eggs would never be able to achieve your vision of nationalism and you know that perfectly well.

Fourthly, you may think the internet allows you some anonymity but the reality is your alter ego will catch up with you the same way that DH was not able to hide his holocaust denial, people will join the dots and your Mutation alter ego will be something you will own in the real world the moment you become a person in the public domain.

Fifthly, you Mutation are no patriot, you’re confusing your vision for your country ars you would like to see it, with the love of your country and of its people that would make you a patriot, nationalism is selective, patriotism isn’t.

Sixthly, i was only banned from one forum for telling the truth...

Seventhly, hate, i hate no-one, i may have my foes but i don’t hate, i leave that to you and all the other right wing haters who’s view of their nation is as perverse as their intentions. Nothing that i have ever said here or anywhere else has ever been hate-filled, perhaps you’re projecting? I know where you’re coming from and i know where you want to go, there is nothing else that i need to know, your message of hate precedes whatever message of substance you may wish to impart any time in the future.

I at the least have been totally honest in stating my intentions and i still have more supporters than you and even more supporters than the one group who shares your message and intentions.

Regards,

Crimson

[Patricia]

Crimson/Mutation can we try to get this thread back on topic....if you wish to continue along the lines of the last few posts then perhaps take it into the "Open Slather" section rather than here in this thread...

Thanks
PP the Mod

[Topcatoz]

A case of VVV (Vision versus Vision) on the WWW?